Michael Dell says humor is vital and workers need to laugh and play and relax sometimes.
The Dell Technologies chief said people shouldn't always listen to their parents' advice.
Dell said he goes to sleep early, works out around dawn, and enjoys Texas barbecue.
Laugh and play pranks, balance work with downtime, and don't always listen to your parents' advice, Michael Dell says.
The Dell Technologies founder and CEO shared the colorful life advice during a recent episode of the "In Good Company" podcast.Β Dell, 59, ranked 13th on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index with a $115 billion fortune at Thursday's close.
The personal-computing pioneer said humor plays a key role at his company.
"If you can't laugh, joke around, play tricks on people, you're doing it wrong, right?" he said. "You have to be able to laugh at yourself."
Dell said he toiled tirelessly as a young man to build his company, which generated $88 billion of revenue last year. But he warned against overworking and burnout.
"I learned a long time ago that there's a diminishing return to the number of hours worked in any given day, " he said. "And if you're going to do something for a long time, you better find the [right mixture of] working and playing and relaxing."
"You won't find me at the nightcap," he said. "I'll be asleep."
Barbecue and bad advice
The Texan businessman also voiced his love for one of his home state's delicacies, even if he doesn't prepare it himself.
"I believe in the theory of labor specialization, so I personally am not cooking a lot of barbecue, but I'm definitely eating barbecue," he said.
Dell also offered some general advice for young people: "Experiment, take risks, fail, find difficult problems, do something valuable, don't be afraid, and, you know, be bold."
He recalled his parents encouraging him to become a doctor and urging him to set aside his passion for building computers. On the other hand, he remembered his mother telling him and his two brothers when they were little to "play nice but win," which became his company's guiding philosophy and the title of his 2021 book.
"Well, yeah, your parents aren't always right, but they're not always wrong either," he said, adding people's "mileage may vary on the parents."
Regina Grogan is a tech exec who says high stress once impacted her mental health and relationships.
Grogan has developed nine daily habits that help her reduce stress and increase productivity.
Grogan's methods include cold plunges, meditation, and gratitude lists for better mood.
This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Regina Grogan, a Zillennial technology executive, AI founder, and former Google consultant based in Salt Lake City. It's been edited for length and clarity.
I worked in high-stress Silicon Valley for over 10 years, including as a Google consultant, before transitioning to being an associate security engineerat one of the largest banks.
Working in the tech industry is stressful β it has extreme volatility, which has led me to feel anxious and depressed in the past. I've seen tech startups shut down very suddenly with zero discussion. I've also worked in big companies undergoing layoffs and wondered, "Am I next?"
High stress also impacted my relationships. My work took up a lot of my personal time, so I wasn't able to build as many relationships as I wish I had.
Over the years, I've discovered hacks to mitigate stress, boost my mood, and increase productivity. These are my favorites.
1. Cold plunge
I take a 15 to 20-minute ice bath or cold shower every morning. The first five minutes are awful and shocking. Then I acclimate to it, and it actually feels really good.
During the plunge, I feel extremely alert, the world looks brighter, and when I emerge, everything feels like a new beginning.
2. Meditation
I was very addicted to my digital devices until I noticed it was severely affecting my mental clarity and focus. Now I try to stay off my phone as much as possible in the morning, and instead, meditate for 25 minutes.
Ever since I made the switch, my mind has become quieter and I feel reset from the attention obsession that my digital devices create.
3. Increase my bodily awareness
I've realized I have to create balance in life by tuning into my body and intuition for guidance. I now listen more to my instincts.
One time, I was working on a partnership and felt physically uneasy while reviewing the terms. Looking back, I realize I was sensing a subconscious resistance in my body about this partnership, which ended up going south.
4. Take a walk without my phone
I often use my phone as an anxiety and comfort tool. The only way I've had luck mitigating this anxiety is by leaving my phone at home, coming back, and seeing that nothing horrible has happened.
5. Think about what I can and can't control
Let's say a vendor messes up a project, or the intern accidentally gets spam-attacked and is freaked out. Instead of panicking, I use the psychological strategy of the "circle of control," asking myself, "What can I control in this stressful situation?"
If the answer is nothing, I have to let it go.
6. Ask myself, "How can I help others today?"
Doing small acts of kindness helps me take the focus off of myself and redirect my energy toward helping others. This can be helping someone at work, volunteering, or simply letting someone in front of me in traffic.
At the end of the day, I can say, "Today didn't go super well, but I did something in my control to improve things."
7. Make a list of what I'm grateful for
I live a privileged life, and it's easy to forget how hard life is for many other people. In my case, I used to have depression. I've seen bad days, but it's easier to forget when I make a gratitude list.
When I zoom out, I can see how lucky I am and that I have a lot to be thankful for.
8. Epsom salt bath
Every evening, around 9 p.m., I take a hot Epsom salt bath. Epsom salt regulates the nervous system and also staves off loneliness β or so they found in some studies.
I do this as a "day ender" to help me officially close out the day. Otherwise, I'll keep working into the night.
9. Write down my worries and wait to review them
Before I go to sleep at 10 p.m., I write down everything I'm worrying about as a "brain dump." I put it in a box and revisit it a week later to see how many of them came to pass.
Almost none of them do. Over time, I've gained more confidence and calmness.
Ever since I started using these hacks, I've been in a great mood and more productive than ever
My colleagues always talk about my energy and good mood. These hacks allow me to be creative and productive at work, even in a stressful environment.
If you work in Big Tech and have productivity hacks you'd like to share, please email Tess Martinelli at [email protected].
Rocket Lab CEO Peter Beck views paranoia as a leadership superpower.
Experts warn Beck's mindset may lead to burnout and a toxic work environment.
Effective leadership requires resilience and fostering a culture of trust, workplace pros say.
Peter Beck doesn't sleep soundly and thinks paranoia is a "superpower."
The founder and CEO of the aerospace company Rocket Lab told CNBC in an interview that going home and sleeping soundly every night "just doesn't seem a tangible possibility."
He also described himself as a "chronic workaholic" and a "micromanager," and said he was "paranoid about everything, especially failure."
While some other leaders share Beck's views, workplace pros think it might be a recipe for burnout and stress.
Heather Lamb, a workplace well-being expert and author of "How Not to Be a People Pleaser," told Business Insider that while constantly being on your toes may feel like a way to stay sharp, this mentality "breeds a toxic work environment."
"Instead, constant stress and fear of falling short can inspire anxiety, self-doubt, and burnout that is damaging to productivity and well-being alike," she said.
A recipe for success?
Beck became the "newest space billionaire" in November, according to Forbes, with his 10% stake in Rocket Lab worth $970 million, and having accrued $65 million from selling shares.
The company is currently valued at $11.2 billion, according to CNBC.
Still, he is lagging behind other space entrepreneurs, including Elon Musk (worth $354 billion) with SpaceX and Jeff Bezos (worth $240 billion) with Blue Origin.
Rocket Lab's stock price surged to an all-time high at the end of November. While the company rivals Musk's SpaceX, Beck previously told BI he has no intention of colonizing Mars.
Instead, Rocket Lab focuses on building and managing rockets and satellites.
"Rocket Lab will never have the capital that Jeff and Elon have," Beck told Bloomberg News in an interview. "But all that means is you have to be a bit better at hustling, a little bit better at being innovative. You can't break the laws of physics no matter how much capital you've got."
Caution vs fear
Beck believes that his paranoia and micromanaging have helped his career.
In the short term, paranoia and a hyper-vigilant mindset can drive exceptional results, Edel Holliday-Quinn, a business psychologist who has worked in senior roles at Citi and PwC, told BI, especially in high-stakes industries like aerospace.
Breese Annable, a licensed clinical psychologist and career coach who has worked with many high-achieving professionals, also told BI that some level of alertness can be valuable for leaders.
"Anticipating challenges and planning for contingencies are facets of strategic thinking," she said. "However, when vigilance crosses into chronic hypervigilance, the psychological and relational costs outweigh the benefits."
Lamb told BI that leaders who are always anxious about the next misstep may lose sight of their own well-being.
"The world thrives on fear β yeah, people take pride in their work, for sure," she said. "Wanting to do good work is a fine goal. But if paranoia is at the heart of it, you are working to inhibit yourself rather than improve."
There's a difference between exercising caution and being immobilized with fear of failure, Lamb added.
"Realistic caution is the practice of thinking about the future, having contingency plans, and being mindful of all of the hurdles we face," she said. "But it's about managing those worries in a way that won't overwhelm you."
Negative impacts are individual and workplace-wide
Sleep deprivation significantly affects cognitive functioning, decision-making, and emotional regulation, Annable said, and if it is experienced long-term, it has been linked to higher risks of cardiovascular disease and weakened immune function.
Worrying too much about the future can have a lasting impact on the workforce as well.
Leaders who are on edge and driven by failure are likely to be micromanagers, Holliday-Quinn said, which can create a toxic workplace culture.
"Research consistently shows that employees under micromanagers experience lower job satisfaction, decreased engagement, and higher turnover rates," Annable said. "This creates a ripple effect that can undermine long-term organizational success."
Over time, this can lead to high turnover and low employee happiness.
"Employees may feel disempowered, undervalued, and overly scrutinized," she said. "Which stifles creativity and collaboration."
True effective leadership, Holliday-Quinn said, requires "resilience, self-awareness, and the ability to foster a culture of trust, collaboration, and empowerment."
"These are the hallmarks of leaders who leave a lasting legacy," she said. "Not just in terms of success but in terms of the positive impact they have on their organizations and the people within them."
Beck didn't respond to a request for comment from BI.
Ren Binglin, 25, is a photographer and digital nomad based in China.
While browsing online, he came across a retirement village for young people and booked a two-month visit.
He picked fruit, meditated, and drank beers with new friends. He says his experience in the mountains changed him.
This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Ren Binglin, a photographer and digital nomad based in China. Ren spent almost two months at a youth retirement village. The following has been translated and edited for length and clarity.
A few days of work in Beijing was all it took for me to realize I needed a break.
In early September, I was finding everything in the capital city too expensive. City life was suffocating me.
I was born in Henan β a province 400 miles south of the capital β but now, at 25, I'm a digital nomad, and there's no longer one part of the country that feels like home. I live in a mix of hostels, bed and breakfasts, and even rented a house from a farmer once. I also try to spend a few weeks a year back with my family.
I love different parts of China for different reasons. I like the climate of Dali, the wooden houses of Shaoxing, my friends in Taihang Mountain, the mornings in Yangshuo, and the nights in Shanghai.
One morning, I started searching for places I could visit up in the mountains. I came across Guanye, a youth retirement village, on Xiaohongshu, China's Instagram-like platform. It was clear it had nothing to do with caregiving or elders, just a lot of nature.
I was intrigued by the pictures of mountains, a swimming pool, and people around my age cooking, hiking, and watching films. I felt I'd get along with them. By noon that same day, I had left.
I bought a train ticket for just over 10 yuan, or $1.38, from Beijing. The village is in Hebei, about 180 miles southwest of Beijing, and the train ride to Baijian, the closest station, took around three hours.
My room at the home
Soon after arriving, I was shown to my room. All of the rooms had mountain views. Mine had floor-to-ceiling windows, a 1.8-meter-long bed, a fridge, a bathroom, and a TV. The TV stayed off for the whole stay.
The room was cheap: 3,600 yuan, or $500, a month, including food and accommodation. It was a courtyard house with rooms surrounding a yard, and the space was around 2,150 square feet.
As a photographer, my income isn't stable. There are times I have nothing coming in for two weeks, but then in one day, I can make enough to cover the month.
The difference between life in the city and life up in the mountains was huge. The quiet in the village was a luxury for me. Sometimes, in the morning, I would hear the sound of goats eating grass. It was wonderful to be woken up that way.
Guests were mostly Gen Zers and Millennials
Most of the people at the nursing home were between 20 and 30 β I'm 25. I also came across a handful of people in their 40s and 50s.
I didn't need to put in much effort to meet interesting people. There was a natural flow that attracted all kinds of guests. The managers treated me like a friend, not a customer.
I wasn't the typical guest. Most people go there to "lie flat" for a while before gradually returning to work. It's a bit like a short vacation for them. However, I was still working.
I enjoy my work, so this didn't bother me. I work in AI photography, customizing work for clients and also teaching students. I do a lot of it online.
Most people I spoke to at the home had encountered a setback in life, in their career, in their love life, or with family members. I met a lawyer who told me he was tired of being busy andΒ had started to live a nomadic life, but due to the requirements of his job, he often had to go to court.
I also spoke to one of the founders, Cui Kai, a lot. He turned 30 this year but gives off the feeling of still being in middle school. There was no greasiness to him.
I asked another cofounder why he had chosen to run the nursing home in his hometown. He said hegrew up in the village, and the courtyards belonged to a relative of his. He said his grandparents were around 95 now, and he wanted to spend more time with them.
I could see that the village was very poor and that the young people had left to find work. All I saw were older people playing mahjong every day. That cofounder said he didn't want to abandon his hometown. He wanted to build it up.
Our daily routine
For breakfast, they served eggs, steamed buns, rice, millet porridge, and flatbreads. At noon, there was chicken and beef, stir-fried potatoes and beans, and cabbage. An auntie would cook for us.
They often organized activities like picking persimmons or chestnuts, hiking, or meditation exercises in the morning. I heard that in the summer, they swim, watch movies, or drink together.
I participated most in the drinking-related activities. Sometimes we'd go to the river, collect wood to make a fire, and drink and chat. For my birthday, I remember around 25 of us drinking together, cracking jokes, and snacking on nuts, dried fruit, and cake. We went through so many crates of beer. There was baijiu, a Chinese liquor, too.
I think this home helps people recharge. In the city, costs are high, and some people are unhappy with their jobs. I find it difficult to establish deep connections with people. It's as if we live for others and wear a mask.
The experience changed me
I spoke to other guests who work in the city, and they told me their energy levels increased after going to the mountains. With more physical space, I felt like I had more psychological space.
Going to Guanye changed me a little, but not as much as some of the other people I met. I've managed to keep my life less intense over the past few years.
Recently, I caught up with some people I'd met at Guanye. We went to see a movie together. I found them to be different from when we first met. They were more reserved. It seemed that once they moved back to the city, they hid their true selves.
Jessika Roso Malic got a job as a stewardess for Emirates in 2010.
She moved from Phoenix to Dubai and worked there for six years.
Malic said life in Dubai was glamorous, but she got burned out at work and missed parts of Phoenix.
This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation withΒ Jessika Ros Malic,Β a former Emirates stewardess from Phoenix, about living in Dubai. It's been edited for length and clarity.
Moving to Dubai was a whirlwind. In 2010, I heard that Emirates was hiring. After going through the interview process, they notified me of acceptance in April, and I moved to Dubai in August with my life packed up in two and a half suitcases.
It was my first time over the Atlantic.
There were so many international businesses and restaurants that it was almost as if the entire globe was in one city. That's what I loved most about Dubai β the many different cultures in one place.
Living there was a crash course in global interactions. But I moved back home to Phoenix permanently in 2017.
I had a glamorous life in Dubai and loved traveling
Upon arriving, Emirates housed me in an apartment. I had two and a half months of intense training before starting a hectic work schedule. My monthly schedule was only released at the end of each previous month. This meant I could only plan my life for a month at a time, and I was rarely in town.
When I was home, I spent much of my time socializing. Working 11-hour shifts was difficult, and back then, all there was to do in Dubai was party, go to bars, and shop.
You could go anywhere and meet people from, say, 10 countries speaking 15 languages. It's a fascinating city because only about 20% are local nationals, and 80% are a complete mix of expats of other nationalities. Temperature-wise, Dubai is comparable to Phoenix, but Dubai is much more humid because of the ocean.
Once in a while, we'd go out to the desert.
Some things were better in Phoenix
I missed that there was much more to do in Phoenix besides nightlife, such as hiking, visiting nature preserves, camping, museums, festivals, and more.
In Dubai, I found it impossible to get anything done over the phone. There was also no address system back then. I had no idea how their local mail system worked and never learned how to mail something to anyone living there.
We took taxis everywhere as they were affordable, and the lack of addresses meant you had to know exactly where you were going. If it wasn't a well-known location or destination, I often had to tell the driver to head to landmarks or direct them exactly where to go.
We're so spoiled in Phoenix. We live on a grid, so you can easily get from one place to another. In Dubai, it's like someone took some crayons, swirled them on a page, and said, "This is the highway system."
My job gave me perks, but the physical toll was too much
Luckily for me, housing was provided for Emirates crew members. Another perk is the live-out allowance β a stipend for living away from home. Because of Emirates, Dubai was affordable for me.
At the same time, I was sick every month and got food poisoning at least three times a year. The physical toll made me tired of flying, and I just wanted to go home. I met my husband in Dubai and married in 2013. He was also ready to move, so we explored purchasing property in Phoenix.
Moving back to Phoenix made me happy
We bought our first house during a visit back home to Phoenix in 2015, although we didn't move back permanently until early 2017. It was located in South Phoenix in a new development and was a dream find.
Our home was 2,500 square feet, close to the freeways, had a three-car garage, and had four bedrooms. We paid $187,000 cash with my husband's parents' help. I loved that house, but we eventually sold it after we divorced this year.
I miss my glamorous days of traveling and living in Dubai, but I'm happy to be settled and close to friends and family in Phoenix. These days, I'm working as a communications and events manager at a nonprofit, and the work is satisfying.
If you moved out of the US for a dream job and want to tell your story, please email Manseen Logan at [email protected].