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YouTube powerhouse Pocket.watch is betting on kid-focused podcasts as its next growth area

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Pocket.watch has two new podcasts: a musical mystery show for preschoolers and a mystery show for tweens.

Pocket.watch

  • Pocket.watch is betting on the podcast boom and partnering with GoKidGo to launch shows.
  • The studio is creating podcasts for kids focused on music and mystery content.
  • Two execs broke down the strategy and why the studio is focused on audio content in 2025.

2024 was a big year for podcasts in the creator economy — and a kids' content powerhouse is betting it can capitalize on the momentum.

Founded in 2017, Pocket.watch works with 53 creator brands —including Ryan's World and Love, Diana — on brand partnerships, merchandise, and other business ventures. The company's studio arm works with its family-focused creators to distribute their content on free ad-supported streaming television (FAST) channels, streaming platforms such as Hulu and Peacock, and social-media platforms like YouTube.

After partnering with Universal Music Group to launch a record label that produces music for kids, Pocket.watch is now working with the podcast company GoKidGo to produce audio shows with its creators.

Pocket.watch execs told Business Insider that their podcasts for kids generally differ from those geared toward adults in a few key ways. For example, the kids' shows often follow a storyline and talk directly to the listener, asking them questions and engaging them in puzzles and mysteries.

Its first two podcasts are a musical-mystery show for preschoolers hosted by its creator, Diana Kidisyuk, from the YouTube channel "Love, Diana" and a mystery show for tweens from three sisters behind the YouTube channel "GEM Sisters."

BI spoke with Amanda Klecker, Pocket.watch's senior vice president of marketing and franchise, and Albie Hecht, its chief content officer, about why the studio is betting on podcast shows for kids.

'It's not just two people talking in a room'

The Pocket.watch execs said a podcast for children needs to be set up differently than one for adults.

"It's not just two people talking in a room," said Hecht, who was formerly the president of film and TV entertainment for Nickelodeon.

Hecht said Pocket.watch podcasts are generally narrative-based and include themes such as problem-solving, puzzles, education, music, and mystery.

"We want to tap into imagination formats," Hecht said. "The play-along element is really important for engagement."

"It has kids almost talking back to the podcast — that's what we want," he added.

Never growing up

Some of the podcasts are part of Pocket.watch's efforts to extend their creators' brands without involving them closely in the production.

"One of the first things we did with all of our creators was create animated versions of them in multiple formats," Hecht said. "Translating them to animation, we can use them in multiple places without the strain on them, and also preserving them in their most popular look and format. It's like Ryan is going to be 8 forever, or 'Love, Diana' is going to be 7 forever."

Kidisyuk's podcast is an extension of the animated format Pocket.watch launched with her in 2024, which is the company's most-watched and most-engaged original series.

Klecker said voice acting makes sense for some older creators, like the GEM Sisters. But for others, like Kidisyuk, who is 10 years old, Pocket.watch works with the parents and the kids to find and hire actors who match their voices.

"She, in herself, is truly a star for kids today," Hecht said of Kidisyuk. "But when we take her and put her in new formats, it's going to be based on her, and it's going to be based on the character she portrays versus having this young child speak in a podcast format."

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Allow me to recommend my favorite part of Spotify: audiobooks

Spotify logo reads a book.
New-release audiobooks are free with a paid Spotify subscription.

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  • Spotify added audiobooks last year. Paid subscribers get 15 hours worth each month.
  • You can also get them through Amazon or your library — celebrity memoirs are great on audiobooks.
  • I'd never cared one way or the other about Al Pacino until I listened to him read his audiobook.

You probably already know that Spotify offers audiobooks with its paid-tier subscriptions. (If not, now you do!)

You might even be confused as to why I'm mentioning this when the audiobook feature launched more than a year ago, in November 2023.

Well, I'm writing this because fairly often over the last year, when I'm talking to people and I mention that I've listened to a book on Spotify, they're surprised — they didn't notice the audiobook feature even if they're a regular Spotify music listener. Or maybe they didn't realize that the books were all included for free with their subscription.

So I am taking it upon myself, during this quiet dead time between the holidays to remind you all:

You can listen to books for free* on Spotify.

(*OK, technically, you get 15 hours a month for free with your subscription. That's typically one or two books. If you go over, you can purchase more books à la carte. For me, 15 hours is fine.)

On Amazon, the largest bookseller, you can go through its Audible subscription service, which charges a monthly fee in exchange for credits you can use to purchase audiobooks. Amazon Music is now doing something similar to Spotify — you get one free book to listen to a month with a paid subscription.

Al Pacino
I listened to Al Pacino read his biography as part of a Spotify audiobook — and I was hooked on them.

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Of course, there are people who are extremely high-volume consumers of audiobooks — and one book a month isn't going to even come close to cutting it for them. On Reddit, some of these power listeners who burn through three to five books in a week discussed their strategies: mixing together Audible credits, the one free Amazon Music books, and Libby (the app for public libraries, which is great because it's unlimited and actually free, but it doesn't have everything and there can be long wait times for new releases or popular titles).

There's also a shady underworld to audiobooks: torrent sites, or YouTube brain rot-style videos where someone plays Minecraft over the audiobook narration for the entire "Lord of the Rings" series.

I don't condone any of that. Point is: With Spotify or Amazon Music, the audiobooks are a nice add-on. They could completely change your reading habits if you're now someone who really loves the feel of paper in your hands or likes to curl up with their Kindle.

If you've never listened to audiobooks, allow me to make the case for a specific genre that they're perfect for: celebrity memoirs, especially if the celebrities themselves read them.

Most recently, I listened to Al Pacino's autobiography, "Sonny Boy: A Memoir." Pacino reads it himself, and it's the perfect delivery — he's got all the strangely YELLED WORDS!!! and quiet asides. At points, I wondered if he was even going off-script, it sounded so natural.

I hadn't previously particularly cared much either way about Al Pacino, but I finished the book absolutely delighted by him and his commitment to leading an artistic life. But I truly think that I wouldn't have found the book as compelling if I had read it on paper — his reading of it added so much.

Celebrity autobiographies often aren't exactly hugely weighty or complicated tomes — you can listen as you would a podcast: while doing the dishes, grocery shopping, driving.

So here's my pitch: If you're already paying for Spotify, Amazon, or any other service, give an audiobook a try. It's usually free, there's nothing to lose — if you think the book stinks, just start a new one!

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The top stories in the creator economy and influencer marketing that BI's reporters will be following next year

Tiktok CEO Shou Chew testifying before congress
TikTok CEO Shou Chew pictured testifying before Congress. His app could soon be banned in the US.

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  • TikTok could be banned come January, but what are the other fascinating creator-economy stories?
  • BI's media team rounded up the most intriguing stories for the year ahead.
  • Our picks ranged from a battle between Spotify and YouTube to what will happen in "IRL social."

There are many fascinating stories popping up in the creator economy every day. So, which ones have really caught the eye of Business Insider's team of reporters and editors?

We're all closely tracking whether TikTok will be banned in the US in January. But that's not the only story that could shake up the industry.

As we head into 2025, BI's media team rounded up the creator-economy storylines we are most excited to dig into next year.

Dan's storyline to watch: Influencers look to become QVC-style live shopping hosts
Outlandish's new store blends TikTok Shop with brick-and-mortar retail.
Outlandish is an official TikTok Shop agency partner.

Outlandish.

Live shopping has really begun to catch on in the US. Next year, I'm watching to see if top influencers embrace live selling and become QVC-style hosts — or if its momentum fades.

US creators have always hawked goods on behalf of brands, but live selling hasn't been a popular approach. It makes sense, as it's much easier for a creator to make a quick sponsored post than to film a 2-hour live sellathon.

TikTok Shop sought to popularize live selling in the US by working with outside partners to train live-selling creators and aggressively promoting the practice. I expect that will continue next year (if TikTok isn't banned), alongside efforts to drive up livestreams among e-commerce competitors like Amazon, Whatnot, and TalkShopLive.

But will creators whose content has nothing to do with e-commerce choose to try out live selling in 2025? Will live shopping replace static brand deals as the predominant way US creators make money, as it has in other regions like Asia? We'll be watching.

-Dan Whateley, senior reporter

Amanda's storyline to watch: Spotify and YouTube battle over video podcasting
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Joe Rogan dominates the podcast landscape.

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Creators are launching their own talk shows in the form of video podcasts.

As this growing trend of serialized long-form content takes over screen times, two tech giants — Spotify and YouTube — will continue to compete to be the best platform.

YouTube is already a strong leader in the creator economy and a go-to creator platform. Spotify has also had a good year, reporting increased profitability in its Q3 earnings.

As video podcasts rise in popularity, these two platforms will have to convince both creators and viewers why they're the best place to earn money, engage with fans, and reach new audiences.

The race has already begun. YouTube took a stand by releasing a suite of tools and features that creators can't get on other podcast platforms — including the ability to go live, respond to comments, and earn revenue from donations.

Meanwhile, Spotify invested heavily in video in 2024, developing its own tools and more ways to pay creators for video podcasts through subscription earnings and ad revenue.

So, how will these platforms compete in 2025, and who will ultimately win in the video podcast race?

-Amanda Perelli, senior reporter

Sydney's storyline to watch: The future of IRL social apps
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222's team, pictured, is part of a trend of IRL social startups.

Sydney Bradley

Social-media platforms are great for entertainment ... but for making new friends and maintaining IRL relationships? Less so.

However, a wave of startups that have either launched or expanded in 2024 plans to fill that gap. From in-person dinners offered by apps (like 222 or Timeleft) to event platforms (like Partiful or Posh), some startup founders are finding product-market-fit amid a loneliness epidemic. The trend extends beyond mobile apps, too, with in-person clubs or groups growing in popularity, like reading groups or running clubs.

While some of these startups are already raising capital and dabbling with monetization, will these solutions to loneliness stick around in 2024? And if they do stick, who will be category winners and what will success be defined by?

-Sydney Bradley, senior reporter

Nathan's storyline to watch: Creators on TV
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Scott Galloway, pictured, cohosts multiple podcasts with video components.

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The walls between the TV and the creator worlds are being torn down brick by brick, particularly by YouTube.

In November, as it has been for a while, YouTube was the top streaming service on TVs in the US, coming in at 10.8% of viewing compared to Netflix's 7.7%, per Nielsen.

With the lines blurring, will we see more streamers and even traditional TV networks look to creator-style content, as ESPN has done with Pat McAfee?

Creator TV shows have had a muddled history, but I'd argue that their struggles often came from networks trying to parachute an influencer into a traditional "TV" format. What about meeting them halfway?

On that point, it's been interesting to see the convergence of podcasts and video. YouTube (hello again) is the top podcasting platform in the US, ahead of Spotify (which is also looking to beef up video) and Apple Podcasts.

What's stopping the likes of Netflix, or even CNN, from licensing podcasts as long as they get the video quality up to snuff? CNN+ wanted to give Scott Galloway a show once upon a time. Maybe they should just put one of his hit podcasts on the air. The cable TV business is in freefall. It's time to get creative.

-Nathan McAlone, deputy editor

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Was your 2024 Spotify Wrapped disappointing? A former engineer explains why it felt like a flop this year

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For the first time this year, Spotify Wrapped used Google's AI to make a podcast about users' favorite songs.

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  • Some Spotify users this year lambasted the music streaming app's popular year-end round-up, Wrapped.
  • A former Spotify engineer described what was different about Wrapped this year.
  • Despite the negative reception, this year's Wrapped was the biggest the company has seen.

When Spotify dropped its viral year-end musical round-up Wrapped earlier this month, the disappointment online was palpable.

"I'm not usually one to complain but this was one of the most boring Spotify Wrapped recaps I've been a part of and I've been a member since 2017," Business Insider reported a Reddit user said.

"Spotify wrapped flopped this year so bad like where are the music cities, the playlists, the top genres or the listening auras… all that wait for WHAT," a user on X wrote.

Spotify superfan Sydney Brown told The New York Times her annual Wrapped release is "like my Super Bowl," but this year, she felt like her round-up was "a homework project that was turned in late."

While the company said a record number of users checked out their Wrapped this year, an engineer who once worked on the feature said he understands why many online were disappointed.

Glenn McDonald is a former Spotify software engineer who worked on projects including Wrapped for over a decade before being caught in one of several rounds of sweeping layoffs that saw a 25% staff reduction.

This year, Wrapped "didn't give me any context," McDonald told Business Insider.

"It didn't connect me to communities or the world, or put my listening in relationship to anything," he said. "So, for me, it misses the important potential of a streaming service where everybody is listening together and just treats it as if each individual listener is listening by themselves."

The Wrapped 2024 round-up skipped the genre stories and cultural comparisons found in previous editions, instead creating an AI "podcast" of computer-generated voices talking through users' listening stats and briefly describing what emotional "era" their listening habits might suggest.

While some users called it a flop, a Spotify spokesperson told Business Insider it was the biggest year yet for the music streaming app's year-end round-up.

"In the first 12 hours this year's Wrapped was the biggest we've seen, up over 26% compared to day one in 2023," the Spotify spokesperson told BI. And while the company tracks user reactions on social media — both negative and positive — internal engagement statistics showed a record number of individual shares "and the biggest volume we've ever seen across the entire experience."

A missed bet on the cutting-edge

Spotify wanted to embrace the cutting-edge features that AI has made possible, the spokesperson said. Still, it did not intend to diminish the humanistic elements of the Wrapped experience that users love.

In prior years, McDonald was on the team that brought Spotify users Wrapped features, including a Myers-Briggs-style description of the way users listen to music, comparisons of their music tastes to cities around the world, and genre stories that revealed the top types of music users were listening to.

He said those cultural elements weren't a priority this year, and the company leaned too much into "AI that doesn't really add anything to your life."

McDonald, a proponent of artificial intelligence who now works for an AI startup, said Spotify has always treated Wrapped primarily as a marketing exercise meant to go viral as users share their results. While he was at the company, he had to push for more community-focused features, he told BI.

"It's sort of hard to try to infuse humanity into a marketing exercise. It's not easy, and you're not always thanked for it," McDonald said.

He pointed to last year's layoffs as one reason remaining engineers may not have felt motivated to go the extra distance this year: "It doesn't surprise me that maybe anybody the following year looking at what happened last year goes, 'maybe I won't stick my neck out,'" he said.

While Spotify hasn't decided what future editions of Wrapped may include, the spokesperson said its features change each year to give users more of what they want.

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Spotify Wrapped was a flop for some music listeners this year

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Spotify Wrapped 2024 debuted this week with some new features — and not everyone loved the results.

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  • Spotify Wrapped missed the mark this year for many users.
  • Some Spotify listeners were frustrated by the recap's aesthetic and missing metrics from years past.
  • Some also said Spotify relied too heavily on generative AI in the recap.

Spotify Wrapped came out Wednesday, and some of the platform's users are already eager to put it behind them.

The streaming company's year-end recap gives people insight into their listening habits each year, via stats like their top songs, artists, and minutes spent listening.

This year, however, seemed to miss the mark for many. Listeners took to social media to air their frustrations with what they said was an inaccurate or underwhelming year-in-review that lacked the personality and insightful metrics they appreciated from Spotify's recaps of yesteryear.

"I'm not usually one to complain but this was one of the most boring Spotify Wrapped recaps I've been a part of and I've been a member since 2017," one Reddit user said.

This year's Wrapped did away with some of last year's features. It didn't, for example, reveal listeners' top genres or give them "sound towns," which told you a town with similar music taste as yours.

Instead, this year Spotify introduced features like the Wrapped AI podcast, powered by Google NotebookLM, featuring two AI voicebots discussing your listening habits. There was also Your Music Evolution, which gave highly specific, yet also inscrutable, names like "pink pilates princess strut pop" to describe your musical genres in certain months.

Some users felt particularly disappointed with what they saw given they also had to wait longer for their recaps this year. Spotify Wrapped came out on December 3 this year, a few days later than the November 29 release of last year's recap.

"This is what we waited for? This is so lame and anticlimactic. No top genres, no music aura and all the other cool stuff that was there before," another person said on Reddit.

"It's giving turned in homework late for participation points it feels so lame," one person said on TikTok, writing in the video's text overlay that this year's Wrapped felt "inaccurate" and "disappointing."

One user even said they were moved to cancel their Spotify Premium subscription and switch over to Apple Music, which recently made available on a monthly basis its Wrapped equivalent, Replay.

"Spotify wrapped so bad and full of AI garbage i cancelled my spotify and got apple music," one person said on X.

"Wrapped is an experience that fans look forward to every year, and our approach to the data stories did not change this year," Spotify told BI in a statement.

"We celebrated fan-favorite data stories like Your Top Artist and Top Songs with new insights like longest listening streak and top listening day," the company said. "We're always exploring ways to expand Wrapped and bring new data stories to users across more markets."

Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the criticisms around the AI features in Spotify Wrapped this year.

Other users who were disappointed highlighted that Spotify underwent layoffs in the last year.

Spotify cut more than 2,000 total employees across three rounds of layoffs last year. In an earnings call this year, CEO Daniel Ek stood by the December cuts as "the right strategic decision" but said it affected daily operations "more than we anticipated."

Spotify Wrapped debuted in 2016 and quickly became one of the most platform's celebrated features, and for many years was differentiated feature against rival music-streaming platforms.

Spotify Wrapped's popularity and easy ability to share the results to social media boosted its popularity and eventually helped pressure Apple to debut a similar recap feature for Apple Music in 2019, which began as a web-only feature.

Five years later, Apple Music finally made the feature available in the app itself.

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Everyone used to hate sharing their data. Then came Spotify Wrapped.

Spotify logo with Duolingo and Apple.

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Spotify Wrapped arrived on Wednesday, packaged in its usual neon, Instagram-ready glory.

The annual release dominates social-media posts for a day, but beneath the colorful cards (designed to be bespoke but distributed en masse), it's Spotify's brag about the amount of data the company has collected on you, mirrored back in a way that's meant to make surveillance sexy, silly, and shareable.

In recent Decembers, the wrap-ification of our data has spread beyond Spotify. Apple Music, Spotify's main competitor, now has a similar feature called Replay, unveiling this year's version on Tuesday. Starbucks has sent out emails telling people about their favorite beverages and number of store visits, shocking some with exactly how many dozens of Frappuccinos they bought. Duolingo kicked off the Wrapped season earlier this week, showing people how many mistakes they made while trying to learn a new language. The British supermarket chain Tesco has sent Clubcard members a review of what they bought in recent years, called Unpacked. And on Tuesday, Tinder hosted a Year in Swipe party, where it revealed the top trends in online dating the app gleaned from its broad swath of 50 million monthly users, which included people getting specific about what kind of person they're looking for or putting a hand emoji in their bios to indicate they're searching for real connections.

All this is getting weird. The type of lattes we drink and the music we listen to are things we fundamentally know about ourselves. The most common names of men and women on Tinder (Alexes and Daniels dominated among men, Marias and Lauras women) tell us nothing about how to find love. But these year-in-review trends still catch avid attention and, in turn, provide free advertising for companies when they're reshared. About an hour after Spotify unveiled this year's Wrapped, its market cap reached $100 billion for the first time. Spotify did not respond to requests for comment.

"People are so excited about seeing data collected from them and then being shown back to them in a way that feels meaningful and relatable," Taylor Annabell, a researcher with Utrecht University who has studied the Wrapped phenomenon, said. "Wrapped taps into this belief we have that data is meaningful and that we want to see it because it helps us understand ourselves."

Wrapped 2024 included the usual unveiling of top songs and artists, but Spotify has added a "Wrapped AI podcast," which features two voicebot hosts chatting through your listening habits without really saying much about the songs, in particular. There was also a section picking apart how listening styles changed over different months of the year. For me, that meant going from "van life folkie indie" to "mallgoth permanent wave punk," mildly embarrassing phrases that might describe my musical tastes from a distance but tell me little new about myself.

Wrapped content has proven so effective on social media that people are making up new categories themselves, packaging parts of their private lives not captured by apps.

Of course, Spotify can't capture everything about your tastes — maybe you played a vinyl record on repeat or shared a streaming account with someone in your family. ("It's not me who can't stop listening to Chumbawamba. It's my cousin, I swear!") Maybe you opted for a mysterious approach and kept your Tinder bio short and sweet.

But where data is lacking, some have set out to create it themselves. Wrapped content has proved so effective and viral on social media that people have taken to making up new categories, packaged parts of their lives not captured by apps, and turned it over to their followers. Here, at least, these people get to curate their experiences and post them as they wish. Last December and already this week, some people took to TikTok to talk through how many first dates they went on during the course of a year, using cute and colorful slideshows to walk their users through their year of bad dates, situationships, and ghosting. A third-party project called Vantezzen takes TikTok data and generates a Wrapped-like analysis for those who want to know how many minutes they spent doom scrolling.

All this comes as people have largely thrown up their hands and given in to sharing their data with their apps. Companies have "gotten us to move past just accepting that they are spying on us to celebrating it," said Evan Greer, the director of the digital-rights advocacy group Fight for the Future and a vocal opponent of Spotify who released an album called "Spotify Is Surveillance" in 2021. "That's the shift we're seeing with this explosion of these types of year-end Wrapped viral gimmicks," Greer added. "They're actually about hypernormalizing the fact that the online services that we use know so very much about us."

Tinder's year in review looked at data from profiles in the US and globally and its own survey results, determining the most popular love languages and zodiac signs, the fastest-growing words mentioned in bios (freak, pickleball, and finance all soared this year), and how people like to communicate (ironically, "better in person" won out over the messaging app). It also created an interactive vision-board feature for people to set intentions for their 2025 dating plans. The company's in-person Year in Swipe party was held in a moody Manhattan bar, where attendees could make charm bracelets or have a tarot-card reading, and each sported a button designed to correspond with their dating vibe, like a black cat or delusional. Tinder did not respond to a request for comment about whether people could opt out of being used in the aggregate data.

But Spotify, in particular, wants to tell its users more about themselves throughout the year. In September 2023, the company began making "daylists," or curated playlists released multiple times throughout the day. While they don't come with the sharable, flashy cards to post on Instagram, they're given catchy names that hint at something about you, changing several times a day. Just this week, Spotify has dubbed me a "Laurel Canyon hippie" and crafted a vibe for a "yearning poetry Tuesday afternoon."

The daylists feel like Spotify's attempt to take the Wrapped success "to the next level," said Nina Vindum Rasmussen, a fellow at the London School of Economics and Political Science who worked on the Spotify research with Annabell. It's "data fiction that accompanies people throughout the day," she said, adding: "What does it mean for them to have this mirror constantly shoved in their face?"

Most of us have gotten comfortable with — or at least resigned to — the fact that Big Tech is watching our every move. Wrapped season is a shiny reminder of all we've done, seemingly in private, on our phones. But don't count on your friends to stop sharing their elite spot as a 0.05% top listener of Taylor Swift anytime soon.


Amanda Hoover is a senior correspondent at Business Insider covering the tech industry. She writes about the biggest tech companies and trends.

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Spotify Wrapped is always a mess for parents. The new AI 'podcast' version just makes it worse.

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Spotify Wrapped uses Google's AI to make a podcast about your favorite songs.

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One of the indignities inflicted on parents of young children is Spotify Wrapped. Each December, thousands of adults open up their year-end treat to discover the sad fact that they listened to "Baby Shark" more times than anything else.

As a parent, this has been my fate for the last few years. (My Spotify account is connected to our Amazon Echo, which means that in some years, my kids' requests for songs about potty words have ended up on my Wrapped.)

I take very little pleasure in Spotify Wrapped, although I know it's a massively popular thing that many people —presumably those who don't listen to Raffi on repeat — really look forward to.

However, this year, there's a new feature. And I struggle to imagine how anyone won't feel mildly weirded out by it: Spotify uses Google's new NotebookLM AI-powered feature to create an individualized AI-generated podcast with two talking heads discussing your listening habits in a conversational, podcast-y tone. Yikes!

I received a 3-minute podcast with a man and woman chatting about how impressive it was that I had listened to "Cruel Summer" by Taylor Swift — my 4-year-old's current favorite tune, narrowly edging out "Let It Go" this year — so many times that I was in the Top 0.02% of listeners. (I should note here that the podcast said I was in the Top 0.02%, while the main Wrapped said it was 0.05%. Possibly the podcast version hallucinated?)

I can understand why people like sharing screenshots from their Wrapped. It's normal to want to share what music you like — and what those lists say about you and your personality.

But listening to an AI podcast about it? Voiced by robots? I'm not sure anyone wants that.

Google's NotebookLM is a fascinating product — I've played around with it a little, and it is very cool, if not uncanny. You can add in text or a PDF or other kinds of data, and it will create a conversational podcast episode with two hosts — "likes" and "ums" and all.

It's got that factor about GenAI that makes you go "whoa," like trying ChatGPT for the first time to have it write a poem.

It's got the dog-walking-on-its-hind-legs element: It's impressive because the dog can do it at all, not because it's doing it particularly well. The idea that AI could generate a chatty podcast that sounds almost real is, admittedly, mindblowing. But would you want to actually listen to it? I'm not really so sure.

I've wondered what this would be used for — I assume some people find listening to something makes it easier to engage with than simply reading it. You could take the Wikipedia page for "The War of 1812," plug it into AI, and generate an engaging history podcast instead of slogging through dry text.

And in a business setting, perhaps a busy exec could upload an accounting report and listen to it while on the putting green instead of reading a stale PDF. (I tried uploading my tax return and created what may be the most boring podcast in human history.)

But NotebookLM is a pretty niche product so far — and Spotify Wrapped is a massively popular feature on a massively popular app. It's likely that this will be many people's first exposure to NotebookLM's abilities.

I imagine it will be mindblowing for many people! But I urge restraint and moderation. Although seeing a screenshot of your friends' top artists might be fun, no one wants to hear a podcast about it.

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Spotify users are disappointed by an underwhelming Wrapped this year

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To mark the 10th year of Spotify Wrapped, the streaming giant is celebrating the unique and surprising ways artists and creators have shaped fans' lives around the world. On Wednesday (Dec. 4), Spotify launched its global "2024 Wrapped" campaign, which over the past decade has become the platform's biggest marketing moment of the year and...

This year's Spotify Wrapped lets you listen to AI hosts break down your music tastes, thanks to Google

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Spotify launched a Wrapped AI podcast on Wednesday powered by NotebookLM.

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  • Google and Spotify launched a Wrapped AI Podcast with NotebookLM's AI hosts.
  • The podcast talks about users' listening habits of the year.
  • The head of editorial at Google Labs said he sees more NotebookLM integrations in the future.

If you've ever thought that your Spotify Wrapped deserved more attention from your group chat or social media followers — the wait is over.

On Wednesday, Spotify launched new features to accompany its annual round-up of users' most listened-to songs.

This year, users will also now get their Wrapped narrated in podcast form by NotebookLM, Google's AI-powered research and writing assistant that provides tools like summaries or study guides based on materials users upload.

The platform recently went viral after it launched its "deep dive," podcast-like discussion hosted by two conversational AI hosts.

The new Spotify feature enlists the voices of the same two AI hosts from NotebookLM's Audio Overview feature to discuss users' favorite artists, songs, and genres from the year.

"This is the first of its kind integration, and it demonstrates the potential of AI to enhance personalized experiences," said Steven Johnson, Head of Editorial at Google Labs, in a press event for the launch.

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Users can listen to an AI podcast about their music choices of the year.

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The podcast is unique to each user, reflecting their personal listening habits from the year, Johnson said. He also said it demonstrates the potential of AI to enhance these personalized experiences — and raised the point that most people don't have on-demand hosts to sit around and talk about their music choices from the year.

"There's a wonderful, robust market for podcasts on many topics," Johnson said. "But having customized top podcasts for millions of individual people based on their specific listening habits for the year, is just not something that you can do with actual humans."

Johnson said NotebookLM has been at the forefront of customizable AI.

He told BI that in the initial wave of AI, people conversed with models that knew a lot about the world, but nothing about the user asking the questions. When a reliable model is able to bring out these insights and make it interesting, that's when you see a change in the way computers can work, he said.

So far, the AI podcast feature on Spotify is only available with Wrapped. However, you can customize your own podcasts on NotebookLM's platform. Johnson also said the team is looking forward to "a lot of different partnerships," both in audio and text.

Just over a month after Google's NotebookLM Audio Overview tool went viral, NotebookLM introduced a "Customize" button, enabling users to guide the AI conversation. Its partnership with Spotify takes that customization a step further.

Google has implemented more personalized features across several of its platforms, including Google Shopping. Google Shopping now provides personalized recommendations and informative briefs at the top of your search. Spotify has similarly launched personalized features like AI Playlist, which creates playlists based on premium users' prompts. This year's Spotify Wrapped will also allow premium users to prompt the AI Playlist feature to create a playlist of their top genres or suggest artists similar to their top 5.

Spotify Wrapped will also include commentary from its AI DJ reflecting your year in music and incorporating insight from Spotify editors on the year's top tracks and artists of 2024.

The new Wrapped AI Podcast feature is available to free and premium Spotify users in the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Ireland, and Sweden. To find the podcast, you can go to your Wrapped home feed and select your Spotify Wrapped AI podcast.

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Drake lost his rap battle with Kendrick Lamar. Now he's going to war with Spotify.

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If it didn't already look like Drake had lost the feud of the year, it certainly does now.

In a legal filing Monday, an LLC owned by Drake called Frozen Moments alleged that Universal Music Group and Spotify worked together to make "Not Like Us" — a viral diss track Kendrick Lamar released about Drake earlier this year — a bigger hit than it naturally would have been. The petition, filed three days after Drake's rival released the critically acclaimed surprise album "GNX," claims UMG did this by offering lower licensing rates on the song to Spotify in return for promotion, then paying third-party companies to have bots inflate streams of it; "Not Like Us" has surpassed 900 million plays on Spotify. ("Family Matters," a Drake diss track about Lamar released around the same time, has 122 million plays.) The filing also accuses UMG of using pay-to-play tactics to increase the song's radio play and have influencers promote it across social media. It's not a lawsuit yet, but a petition seeking more information about the alleged practice.

"Streaming and licensing is a zero-sum game," Drake's filing says. "Every time a song 'breaks through,' it means another artist does not. UMG's choice to saturate the music market with 'Not Like Us' comes at the expense of its other artists, like Drake."

The twist: UMG doesn't just represent Lamar but also Drake. And Drake is one of the biggest artists streaming on Spotify, with about 10 million more monthly listeners than Lamar. If major companies like UMG and Spotify really are conspiring to help one artist over another, they would be severely disrupting the way people discover and come to love music and risking the entire streaming model the music industry now relies on.

Hip-hop fans are mocking Drake's litigiousness as petty and destructive to his street cred. "This is Drake's Jan. 6," the musical artist and former NFL running back Arian Foster posted on X. Music industry insiders, meanwhile, are skeptical of the allegations themselves.

"It's not in Spotify's interest for their model to be undermined by people not getting paid fairly," Tony Rigg, a music industry advisor and lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire, tells me. "Bots, potentially, would undermine both" Spotify and UMG. In other words, for the top of the music industry, rigging with bots would be "not like us."

The kind of manipulation, also called artificial listening, that Drake is talking about does happen. Some artists use third-party companies that enlist accounts made by bots to listen to the same playlist on repeat. That's an issue because of how streaming companies pay. They divide up royalty payments from a limited pool of cash. More plays means more of the pie. And as more people have taken to uploading AI-generated slop to streaming platforms like Spotify, they risk becoming more diluted. In September, a North Carolina musician was charged with music streaming fraud; the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York claims he made more than $10 million using those kinds of tactics. (The case is ongoing.) Smaller artists looking to make money off streaming can suffer. But it's harder to know how it could affect megastars like Drake and Lamar, who are already among the top performers in Spotify's streaming ranks.

In the end, the attention, and ears, on the two artists' beef may have made Spotify and UMG both winners.

There are more than 100 million songs each on popular streaming platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, and SoundCloud. Last year, Spotify booted tens of thousands of songs from its platform reported to be generated by AI and also listened to by bots — essentially, computer music for computers. UMG itself has pushed back against AI-generated music, trying to block AI from training on its catalogs on streaming platforms.

Spotify declined to comment, but the company does have policies in place to detect and combat artificial streaming. A UMG spokesperson told me that "the suggestion that UMG would do anything to undermine any of its artists is offensive and untrue. We employ the highest ethical practices in our marketing and promotional campaigns. No amount of contrived and absurd legal arguments in this pre-action submission can mask the fact that fans choose the music they want to hear."

Fans can argue whether Drake or Lamar won the feud. By throwing lawyers and corporations into the rap battle, Drake has made it much less street and much more corporate. It's hard to imagine bots would be driving so many listeners to Lamar, a 17-time Grammy award winner. The song itself has been nominated for five Grammys, has been used at political events and protests around the world, and became a hit on TikTok. In the end, the attention, and ears, on the two artists' beef may have made Spotify and UMG both winners.


Amanda Hoover is a senior correspondent at Business Insider covering the tech industry. She writes about the biggest tech companies and trends.

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