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Ray Dalio says the Moody's rating downgrade understates the risks of US debt

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Moody's downgrades the US credit from Aaa to Aa1.

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  • Ray Dalio said on X that Moody's credit downgrade doesn't cover the risks of government money printing.
  • Moody's downgraded US credit to Aa1, citing growing deficits and ballooning interest payments.
  • A GOP tax bill could worsen US debts, with proposed tax breaks and increased defense spending.

Billionaire investor Ray Dalio thinks Moody's recent downgrade of the US sovereign credit rating doesn't capture the danger of the federal government simply printing cash to cover its bills.

"You should know that credit ratings understate credit risks because they only rate the risk of the government not paying its debt," Dalio, the founder of Bridgewater Associates, warned said on X. "They don't include the greater risk that the countries in debt will print money to pay their debts thus causing holders of the bonds to suffer losses from the decreased value of the money they're getting."

"For those who care about the value of their money, the risks for US government debt are greater than the rating agencies are conveying," Dalio added.

Dalio's comments came after Moody's, the international financial services company, downgraded the US credit from Aaa to Aa1 on Friday, citing growing deficits and surging interest payments. That makes Moody's the last of the three major credit agencies to bump America's credit off the highest rating. S&P Global Ratings downgraded the US back in 2011, and Fitch Ratings followed suit in 2023.

In response to the downgrade, stocks slipped on Monday while Treasury yields spiked. The 30-year bond yield jumped 4.995%, and the 10-year bond yield rose to 4.521%.

Adding to investor concerns, economists are sounding the alarm on a tax cut bill proposed by Republicans that could come to pass given the slim GOP majorities in both the House and the Senate.

The bill proposes tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans through a higher estate tax exemption, interest tax breaks for private equity, and a $150 billion boost in defense spending. It also plans to increase the child tax credit by $500 and eliminate taxes on tips and overtime pay.

Despite the bill also proposing spending cuts to Medicaid and SNAP and to hike taxes for immigrants, the Budget Lab at Yale, a nonpartisan policy research center, says that the GOP bill would worsen America's debt.

"The bill as currently proposed would substantially add to the deficit, even if accounting for possible tariff revenue," authors of the report wrote, "If we account for the likelihood that these provisions would become permanent, at the end of 30 years the debt-to-GDP ratio would be over 180%, even assuming substantial revenue from tariffs."

According to the report, Sudan and Japan are the only two countries with a debt-to-GDP ratio over 180%.

"Assuming temporary provisions expire, the bill's baseline cost of $3.4 trillion would make it the largest spending package in US history," the report added.

In a rare Sunday night vote on May 18, the GOP tax cut bill narrowly passed the House Budget Committee, which days before rejected the bill. The bill now heads to the House for a vote this week.

A spokesperson for Dalio did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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OpenAI just revealed that 'many' potential investors have walked away over its unusual structure

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  • OpenAI says it has struggled to raise funds due to its nonprofit structure.
  • The company just revealed its fundraising challenges in a letter to California's attorney general.
  • OpenAI plans to restructure as a Public Benefit Corporation to attract investors.

OpenAI is one of the most well-funded startups in history, raising a massive $40 billion round led by SoftBank earlier this year.

But many investors have passed on the startup because it's controlled by a nonprofit and is unable to offer "easy-to-understand" equity, the AI giant revealed in a recent letter to California's attorney general.

"Many potential investors in OpenAI's recent funding rounds declined to invest," the May 15 letter reads.

"OpenAI's recent attempts at securing funding have demonstrated the challenges posed by the organization's existing structure," it adds.

OpenAI didn't respond to a request for comment. The letter was first reported on by the AI publication Obsolete. OpenAI submitted the May 15 letter in response to an April 9 petition from a coalition of nonprofits and other organizations that urged the California attorney general to block OpenAI's for-profit conversion plans. Business Insider obtained the letter from LatinoProsperity, one of the nonprofits leading the coalition.

Startups are typically highly reluctant to acknowledge fundraising challenges, so it's an unusual disclosure.

But OpenAI, which was last valued at $300 billion, isn't a typical startup: it was founded as a nonprofit and remains controlled by its board, creating a big fundraising hurdle.

In the letter, OpenAI says it was only "able to secure" investments by promising to change its structure. Indeed, a big chunk of its massive SoftBank round was conditioned on just that.

OpenAI is now trying to restructure its for-profit arm as a Public Benefit Corporation, similar to competitors like Anthropic. It has given up on plans to free itself from its nonprofit's control.

The May 15 letter also shows that OpenAI is worried about competitors who are "far better funded, conventional for-profit businesses."

Google, Meta, and other tech giants have pledged capital expenditures of over $300 billion in AI investments in 2025 alone. OpenAI mentioned such investments as "threats" to its mission, which risks that artificial general intelligence, or AGI, will be consolidated in the hands of a few powerful entities.

If OpenAI can't raise more money to compete with them, then its ability to ensure safe AGI will be "compromised," the letter states.

Orson Aguilar, the founding president of LatinoProsperity, remains skeptical of OpenAI's plans.

"OpenAI's response comes only after they reversed course on their for-profit plans, but they haven't offered anything new," he told Business Insider.

"The core questions remain: What is the true value of their charitable assets? Who are they accountable to? And how can a nonprofit claim independence when it's clearly entangled with corporate interests?"

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Markets flinch on Moody's news

Investors reacted swiftly Monday morning to the U.S. losing its last triple-A credit rating, briefing sending the yield on 30-year Treasuries above 5%.

Why it matters: Credit rating downgrades β€” like Moody's decision Friday to slash the U.S. government to Aa1 β€” mean the borrower is now viewed as a riskier bet.


  • U.S. Treasuries are still widely regarded as a dependable place to park cash, but long-term bond yields Monday nonetheless touched their highest level since November 2023, and last seen before that in 2007.

Zoom out: U.S. debt is now deemed by Moody's to be a risker proposition for investors than debt issued by a dozen countries.

  • Those better bets are Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Sweden and Switzerland.

What they're saying: "Globally, the downgrade may dent confidence in U.S. Treasuries, traditionally perceived as a safe-haven asset due to the U.S. dollar's status as the global reserve currency," Wells Fargo Investment Institute analysts wrote today in a special report.

  • "While demand for Treasuries is likely to remain strong, in our view, reduced foreign appetite β€” already evident following President Donald Trump's tariff announcements β€” could exacerbate fiscal pressures," they wrote.

Yes, but: Most buyers of Treasury bonds aren't doing so based on credit rating firms' assessment, however, Axios' Neil Irwin notes.

Reality check: The U.S. had already lost its perfect rating from S&P in 2011 and from Fitch in 2023.

  • Some, like Morningstar chief U.S. market strategist Dave Sekera, characterized Friday's Moody's downgrade as largely symbolic, with the issues that led to the downgrade "long in coming, well known, and priced into" the U.S. Treasury market.

The impact: The morning's bond selloff tapered off by the afternoon, with yields on 30-year Treasures settling at 4.91%.

  • Stocks finished the day largely in the green, with the S&P 500, Nasdaq and Dow Jones indexes all closing Monday with small gains.

The big picture: For investors today the downgrade "reinforces that [U.S.] fiscal strain is no longer a distant concern," writes Tom Kozlik, head of public policy and municipal strategy at Hilltop Securities.

  • "It is unfolding in real time, with significant implications for investor sentiment and policy discussions."

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