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The TikTok shutdown is locking out non-US users, too

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TikTok’s US shutdown last night appears to be affecting users outside the country as well. People have taken to social media in the hours since, complaining they can’t access the app despite living in non-US countries, and it’s not always clear why.

In some cases, the problem appears to be using a VPN that routes traffic through the US. One user on Reddit says they’re based in the UK, saw the message that’s supposed to be displayed only in the US overnight, and found that a quick location change in their VPN app fixed it:

I got that message myself in the UK I immediately thought to check my Vpn, yep it was going through Miami once I changed that TikTok is fine.

This doesn’t work in all cases, though. The original creator of that thread also claims to live in the UK, but they say they weren’t using a VPN. Instead, they suspect the problem is that they were living in the US when they created their main account. Other people who signed up in the US also report they can’t access the app, despite now living in countries like Canada, Germany, Australia, Greece, and Poland.

@tiktok_uk @TikTokSupport I cannot access the app due to the US ban. I was born and live in England, please may you allow me access. My username is @kittyyy.mx on TikTok. #tiktok #tiktokban #tiktoksupport #tiktokuk pic.twitter.com/p9prz6fZE8

— kitty (@kittyxib) January 19, 2025

But some users, who name their location as the UK, Canada, and Australia, say they didn’t create their account in the US — and in some cases that they’ve never been there at all. Still others complain that the app is blocked for them in countries like Morocco or Ireland. One user, who says they are Mozambican, speculates it’s because they got around their country’s monetization laws by setting their account region to the US.

TikTok did not immediately reply to our request for comment on what could be causing people living outside the US to lose access.

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Trump says he’ll delay TikTok ban, but the platform must be sold

Photo collage of the TikTok logo over a photograph of the US Capitol building.
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President-elect Donald Trump says he wants service providers like Apple and Google to put TikTok back online in the US, and proposed creating a joint venture where the US owns 50 percent of the app.

“I’m asking companies not to let TikTok stay dark!” Trump wrote on Truth Social Sunday. “I will issue an executive order on Monday to extend the period of time before the law’s prohibitions take effect, so that we can make a deal to protect our national security. The order will also confirm that there will be no liability for any company that helped keep TikTok from going dark before my order.”

Donald Trump’s Truth Social post: “I would like the United States to have a 50% ownership position in a joint venture... Without U.S. approval, there is no Tik Tok. With our approval, it is worth hundreds of billions of dollars - maybe trillions. Therefore, my initial thought is a joint venture between the current owners and/or new owners whereby the U.S. gets a 50% ownership in a joint venture set up between the U.S. and whichever purchase we so choose.” Screenshot: Truth Social

Part of the motivation appears to be his own inauguration on Monday, which Trump says “Americans deserve to see.” He called the joint venture idea an “initial thought” and says “By doing this, we save TikTok, keep it in good hands and allow it to say up. Without U.S. approval, there is no Tik Tok. With our approval, it is worth hundreds of billions of dollars - maybe trillions.”

Shortly after the ban took effect, Republican lawmakers poured cold water on the idea that Donald Trump will be able to halt the TikTok ban without a sale of the app when he resumes the presidency Monday. Trump had previously floated exercising a 90-day extension written into the law to lengthen the deadline for a sale, and reportedly considered issuing an executive order.

“We will enforce the law,” House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. “When President Trump issued the Truth post and said, ‘save TikTok,’ the way we read that is that he’s going to try to force along a true divestiture.” Johnson added that, “the only way to extend that is if there’s an actual deal in the works.”

“Now that the law has taken effect, there’s no legal basis for any kind of ‘extension’ of its effective date,” Sens. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Pete Ricketts (R-NE) said in a statement. “For TikTok to come back online in the future, ByteDance must agree to a sale that satisfies the law’s qualified-divestiture requirements by severing all ties between TikTok and Communist China.”

With Trump’s Republican allies in Congress casting doubt on the idea that a pause on the ban is viable without a bona fide deal that rids TikTok of its foreign adversary ownership, it’s unlikely that service providers like Apple and Google will risk the billions in fines they could face should a court rule that Trump is wrong about his powers to halt the law.

But creating a joint venture where the US owns 50 percent of a speech platfom comes with its own potential First Amendment concerns. And Johnson’s comments on “Meet the Press” about why lawmakers are concerned about the app to begin with further demonstrate that Congress did think about the content on the platform when deciding to pass the law — even though the Supreme Court didn’t see that as reason to find it unconstitutional. “They have been flooding the minds of American children with terrible messages glorifying violence and antisemitism and even suicide and eating disorders,” Johnson says. “It’s a very dangerous thing. The Chinese Communist Party is not our friend, and we have to make sure this changes hands.”

Marvel Snap, CapCut, Lemon8 and other ByteDance apps have also shut down in the US alongside TikTok

It’s been unclear in the leadup to the TikTok ban what the fate of parent company ByteDance’s other apps would be, but now we know: they’ve gone dark in the US too. At the same time TikTok went offline this weekend, so did other apps ByteDance has developed or is affiliated with, including the popular video-editing tool CapCut, the social media platform Lemon8 and Marvel Snap. All are now displaying messages to US users that their services are unavailable. Ben Brode, Chief Development Officer for Marvel Snap developer Second Dinner, wrote on Threads that getting caught up in the ban “was a surprise to us” and that the team is working on getting it back online. 

Second Dinner echoed this on X and in its in-app message to users, adding, “MARVEL SNAP isn’t going anywhere.” While Marvel Snap was created by the US-based developer, its publisher Nuverse Games is a ByteDance subsidiary. Other Nuverse games appear to be affected too.

CapCut and Lemon8 may be less surprising casualties, both having been developed by ByteDance, but given the law’s focus on TikTok alone as its target, their shutdown is still sure to come as a shock to many users. CapCut is widely used for video editing, especially among social media creators. And many TikTok users looking for an alternative in light of the ban flocked to Lemon8; just a few days ago, Lemon8 was the second most-popular app on the App Store.

A screenshot showing a message in the CapCut app explaining that it isn't available in the US because of the TikTok ban

On a new support page listing some of the affected apps, Apple notes, “If you already have these apps installed on your device, they will remain on your device. But they can’t be redownloaded if deleted or restored if you move to a new device. In-app purchases and new subscriptions are no longer possible.” These apps also won’t receive updates. 

Along with TikTok, CapCut, Lemon8 and Marvel Snap, Apple names Lark, Hypic — an AI photo editing tool — and Gauth: AI Study Companion as apps that have been pulled as a result of the ban. But there are many others that aren’t listed that may be swept up in it too.

“Apple is obligated to follow the laws in the jurisdictions where it operates,” Apple said in a statement on the support page. “Pursuant to the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, apps developed by ByteDance Ltd. and its subsidiaries — including TikTok, CapCut, Lemon8, and others — will no longer be available for download or updates on the App Store for users in the United States starting January 19, 2025.”

This article originally appeared on Engadget at https://www.engadget.com/social-media/marvel-snap-capcut-lemon8-and-other-bytedance-apps-have-also-shut-down-in-the-us-alongside-tiktok-153002137.html?src=rss

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A screenshot from Marvel Snap showing a message to users that says "Marvel snap is temporarily unavailable in the US," along with additional text explaining that the outage was a surprise.

Trump’s second inauguration: live updates and how to watch

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Tech leaders are set to have a big presence.

On January 20th, Donald Trump is set to be sworn in as the 47th president of the United States to serve his second term. Immediately after his victory, many tech leaders publicly congratulated Trump and started making moves to win his favor, including schmoozing with the incoming president at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida and making donations to his inauguration committee.

Tech leaders should have a visible presence at Trump’s inauguration, with Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, Shou Zi Chew, Sundar Pichai, and Sam Altman all reported to be present. Musk is also scheduled to speak at a pre-inauguration rally, and Zuckerberg will reportedly host a black-tie event on Inauguration Day.

We’ll be covering the event and how tech leaders are a part of it.

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